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		<title>By: charles</title>
		<link>http://earthasylum.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/i-hate-ken-wilber/#comment-2600</link>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am familiar with Wilber, reading him for a number of years starting with his first book Spectrum of Consciousness, and I can through all that see his process and how he would have at one time idolized Da. I don&#039;t think he has the knowing to say that Da is a &quot;superhero&quot;..&quot;unsurpassed&quot; and so on.  But...that&#039;s who Wilber is and of course has created his own world..the world of Wilber.  ---The important thing is for people to be aware, open and certainly take things with a grain of salt. I have studied Da and met members of his community which I never cared to join, although some were encouraging me to do so. It was not right for me. For those that needed to be in that setting...so be it. ---Right now I don&#039;t  think too much of Genpo Big Mind, Dyer and the list goes on. ----One book I would recommend is Beyond Religion by A. Neal and J. Seniff, a dialoque book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am familiar with Wilber, reading him for a number of years starting with his first book Spectrum of Consciousness, and I can through all that see his process and how he would have at one time idolized Da. I don&#8217;t think he has the knowing to say that Da is a &#8220;superhero&#8221;..&#8221;unsurpassed&#8221; and so on.  But&#8230;that&#8217;s who Wilber is and of course has created his own world..the world of Wilber.  &#8212;The important thing is for people to be aware, open and certainly take things with a grain of salt. I have studied Da and met members of his community which I never cared to join, although some were encouraging me to do so. It was not right for me. For those that needed to be in that setting&#8230;so be it. &#8212;Right now I don&#8217;t  think too much of Genpo Big Mind, Dyer and the list goes on. &#8212;-One book I would recommend is Beyond Religion by A. Neal and J. Seniff, a dialoque book.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://earthasylum.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/i-hate-ken-wilber/#comment-2587</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had the horrible experience of student coming to me for training, singing the praises of Ken Wilber and his Integral (read: Ripped off and Ripped Up to become Completely Unrecognizable) Science and Philosophy.  

I teach straight Buddhist-based healing arts and meditation.  I have also worked in legitimate Transpersonal Psychology/Consciousness Research (with a good friend of Stan Grof and the other founders of Transpersonal Psychology) as well as in Physics,and Chemistry research. I was raised and trained by a Biologist and have a degree in Environmental Geography. 

OK, nuff said about my egoic credentials here - I only mention to them because they have everything to do why Ken Willber makes me absolutely crazy.  

If you speak his name in praise and wonderment, I will want to slap you silly to snap you out of it and then  tell you to go get a REAL education and not a MIS-EDUCATION.

Darn that Ken Wilber if he doesn&#039;t even understand the most fundamental tenants of EVOLUTIONARY THEORY.  I mean... he just doesn&#039;t get EVOLUTION. BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION.  HE DOESN&#039;T UNDERSTAND IT!   Biological concepts I understood as a seven year old, he doesn&#039;t UNDERSTAND.   And isn&#039;t he supposed to have training in Biochemistry?  So was that mainly chemistry with a couple classes of bio on top? 

Stan Grof&#039;s work - He doesn&#039;t get that

Maha-Vairocana Tantra - He doesn&#039;t get that.

Chogyam Trungpa&#039;s work - He doesn&#039;t get that.

Shakyamuni Buddha&#039;s work - He doesn&#039;t get that.

He doesn&#039;t even get the continuation of the soul.  If you discount Stan Grof&#039;s work about psychology in the womb and birth trauma (because humans are not conscious in the womb - according to Wilber) then you discount ALL of Buddhist thought.  ALL of it.  Not just some of it.  ALL of it. It&#039;s all about continuity of consciousness from life to life.

If you don&#039;t understand biological evolution to begin with how can you make any integration between spiritual/concsiousness evolution and biology or ecology??

I mean really Ken:

You don&#039;t understand Biology, Ecology, or Evolution - Or Buddhism, or consciousness - so you are integrating your misunderstanding of physical reality with your misunderstanding of spiritual reality. 

That&#039;s GREAT.  Give me MORE.  You are a GOD.  

No, you are not a god.  You are a product of a TERRIBLE US education system where people who should be well educated in the Sciences and Philosophy are not.  If they were they would see right through your paper thin circular logic mismatched misinformation in about two seconds of reading one of your books.  

This would make them want  to scream bloody murder just as loudly as I want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had the horrible experience of student coming to me for training, singing the praises of Ken Wilber and his Integral (read: Ripped off and Ripped Up to become Completely Unrecognizable) Science and Philosophy.  </p>
<p>I teach straight Buddhist-based healing arts and meditation.  I have also worked in legitimate Transpersonal Psychology/Consciousness Research (with a good friend of Stan Grof and the other founders of Transpersonal Psychology) as well as in Physics,and Chemistry research. I was raised and trained by a Biologist and have a degree in Environmental Geography. </p>
<p>OK, nuff said about my egoic credentials here &#8211; I only mention to them because they have everything to do why Ken Willber makes me absolutely crazy.  </p>
<p>If you speak his name in praise and wonderment, I will want to slap you silly to snap you out of it and then  tell you to go get a REAL education and not a MIS-EDUCATION.</p>
<p>Darn that Ken Wilber if he doesn&#8217;t even understand the most fundamental tenants of EVOLUTIONARY THEORY.  I mean&#8230; he just doesn&#8217;t get EVOLUTION. BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION.  HE DOESN&#8217;T UNDERSTAND IT!   Biological concepts I understood as a seven year old, he doesn&#8217;t UNDERSTAND.   And isn&#8217;t he supposed to have training in Biochemistry?  So was that mainly chemistry with a couple classes of bio on top? </p>
<p>Stan Grof&#8217;s work &#8211; He doesn&#8217;t get that</p>
<p>Maha-Vairocana Tantra &#8211; He doesn&#8217;t get that.</p>
<p>Chogyam Trungpa&#8217;s work &#8211; He doesn&#8217;t get that.</p>
<p>Shakyamuni Buddha&#8217;s work &#8211; He doesn&#8217;t get that.</p>
<p>He doesn&#8217;t even get the continuation of the soul.  If you discount Stan Grof&#8217;s work about psychology in the womb and birth trauma (because humans are not conscious in the womb &#8211; according to Wilber) then you discount ALL of Buddhist thought.  ALL of it.  Not just some of it.  ALL of it. It&#8217;s all about continuity of consciousness from life to life.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t understand biological evolution to begin with how can you make any integration between spiritual/concsiousness evolution and biology or ecology??</p>
<p>I mean really Ken:</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t understand Biology, Ecology, or Evolution &#8211; Or Buddhism, or consciousness &#8211; so you are integrating your misunderstanding of physical reality with your misunderstanding of spiritual reality. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s GREAT.  Give me MORE.  You are a GOD.  </p>
<p>No, you are not a god.  You are a product of a TERRIBLE US education system where people who should be well educated in the Sciences and Philosophy are not.  If they were they would see right through your paper thin circular logic mismatched misinformation in about two seconds of reading one of your books.  </p>
<p>This would make them want  to scream bloody murder just as loudly as I want to.</p>
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		<title>By: Juliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who? you mean old baldy?</description>
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		<title>By: Stuart Resnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel wrote...
&gt; I met Adi Da. on two occasions.., sat with him on both occasions. 
&gt; I had the opportunity to feel the truth of this Great Man

I wouldn&#039;t call Da so dangerous. Like a con man, he only trapped people who on some level consented to being trapped.

On the other hand, if I sat with him and got some special feelings, I&#039;d call those feelings my own, and wouldn&#039;t make ideas of truth and greatness and project them onto Da.

Stuart
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/11/adi-da-dies.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel wrote&#8230;<br />
&gt; I met Adi Da. on two occasions.., sat with him on both occasions.<br />
&gt; I had the opportunity to feel the truth of this Great Man</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call Da so dangerous. Like a con man, he only trapped people who on some level consented to being trapped.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if I sat with him and got some special feelings, I&#8217;d call those feelings my own, and wouldn&#8217;t make ideas of truth and greatness and project them onto Da.</p>
<p>Stuart<br />
<a href="http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/11/adi-da-dies.html" rel="nofollow">http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/11/adi-da-dies.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Anthony</title>
		<link>http://earthasylum.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/i-hate-ken-wilber/#comment-2550</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen... Jesus...

        I met Adi Da. on two occasions.., sat with him on both occasions.  I had the opportunity to feel the truth of this Great Man.., I had no doubt..., I simply loved him.. and I knew that he loved me....; I felt complete..., as if the moment conveyed everything that I would need to know.., which was nothing... but &quot;Simply Be Happy, Feel into Infinity, move beyond your doubt and discomfort into the awesome vastness of it all...
        He was an infant and a fully grown Lion.. and when I asked him if I needed to move into his community, his response was, &quot;why would you want to live here&quot;, answering a previous question i had asked myself while moving through the community of folks gathered around him.  His reply.. affirmed in me that it was &quot;crazy&quot; to live here amongst all of these people..  I felt released, free..., and I loved Him.. even though there was a part of me that really wanted to be one of them.  

        There was no doubt in my mind that he was a dangerous Man; how dangerous was that?  Ha, ha.. my dad tried to burn me up in a house fire, my mom used to burn me with hot irons.., was he that dangerous...?  Was he capable of eating me...?  I heard he had quite an appetite..

        I was raised on an Indian Reservation, to me.. Adi Da was quite possibly.. a dangerous rattle snake.., a large mt. lion..?  you get the idea.., well.., of course Adi Da was Dangerous..., but I would say.., I was more cautious of his devotees and critics.., (people like Ken Wilbu)r than I was ever about Adi Da....

        I loved Him from the moment I became aware of his existence... and I love the thought and feeling of him now.... 

         He was Bubba Free John.... and He was Eleutherios.. and I knew Him as both.... and every possibility under the Sun.., even Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson..., LOL.. was he dangerous... ?  Are you dangerous..?  LOL...   Hell.. its dangerous to even be here in the first place...

         Make what you will of it.............         Rachel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen&#8230; Jesus&#8230;</p>
<p>        I met Adi Da. on two occasions.., sat with him on both occasions.  I had the opportunity to feel the truth of this Great Man.., I had no doubt&#8230;, I simply loved him.. and I knew that he loved me&#8230;.; I felt complete&#8230;, as if the moment conveyed everything that I would need to know.., which was nothing&#8230; but &#8220;Simply Be Happy, Feel into Infinity, move beyond your doubt and discomfort into the awesome vastness of it all&#8230;<br />
        He was an infant and a fully grown Lion.. and when I asked him if I needed to move into his community, his response was, &#8220;why would you want to live here&#8221;, answering a previous question i had asked myself while moving through the community of folks gathered around him.  His reply.. affirmed in me that it was &#8220;crazy&#8221; to live here amongst all of these people..  I felt released, free&#8230;, and I loved Him.. even though there was a part of me that really wanted to be one of them.  </p>
<p>        There was no doubt in my mind that he was a dangerous Man; how dangerous was that?  Ha, ha.. my dad tried to burn me up in a house fire, my mom used to burn me with hot irons.., was he that dangerous&#8230;?  Was he capable of eating me&#8230;?  I heard he had quite an appetite..</p>
<p>        I was raised on an Indian Reservation, to me.. Adi Da was quite possibly.. a dangerous rattle snake.., a large mt. lion..?  you get the idea.., well.., of course Adi Da was Dangerous&#8230;, but I would say.., I was more cautious of his devotees and critics.., (people like Ken Wilbu)r than I was ever about Adi Da&#8230;.</p>
<p>        I loved Him from the moment I became aware of his existence&#8230; and I love the thought and feeling of him now&#8230;. </p>
<p>         He was Bubba Free John&#8230;. and He was Eleutherios.. and I knew Him as both&#8230;. and every possibility under the Sun.., even Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson&#8230;, LOL.. was he dangerous&#8230; ?  Are you dangerous..?  LOL&#8230;   Hell.. its dangerous to even be here in the first place&#8230;</p>
<p>         Make what you will of it&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.         Rachel</p>
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		<title>By: faeriechild</title>
		<link>http://earthasylum.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/i-hate-ken-wilber/#comment-2530</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks, HS. i enjoyed that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, HS. i enjoyed that.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Swanson</title>
		<link>http://earthasylum.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/i-hate-ken-wilber/#comment-2529</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Swanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I too wear designer spectacles, often shave my head/nuts, and enjoy writing a lot of masturbatory drivel punctuated every so often with meaningless intellectual terminology and buzzwords, I find Kenny&#039;s work incredibly.. how to put it.. &#039;dense and purposeful&#039;. It spirals around and around its own spiritual art-hole before plunging deep into some politely postmodern something-andor-other. Very clever, very &#039;integral&#039;. Ken-as-personality also has a lot to say about that New Age Lite (??) kult-of-myself $pirituality that&#039;s popular on syndicated talk shows hosted by billionaire tv-presenters with 42-acre estates featuring ocean and mountain views and mexican house slaves, and adored by prozac-addled middle class housewives. He&#039;s onto something good and I want it, baby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I too wear designer spectacles, often shave my head/nuts, and enjoy writing a lot of masturbatory drivel punctuated every so often with meaningless intellectual terminology and buzzwords, I find Kenny&#8217;s work incredibly.. how to put it.. &#8216;dense and purposeful&#8217;. It spirals around and around its own spiritual art-hole before plunging deep into some politely postmodern something-andor-other. Very clever, very &#8216;integral&#8217;. Ken-as-personality also has a lot to say about that New Age Lite (??) kult-of-myself $pirituality that&#8217;s popular on syndicated talk shows hosted by billionaire tv-presenters with 42-acre estates featuring ocean and mountain views and mexican house slaves, and adored by prozac-addled middle class housewives. He&#8217;s onto something good and I want it, baby.</p>
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		<title>By: randomstu</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can relate. I&#039;ve bloged about Wilber here:

http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ken-wilber-comments.html

and here:

http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/12/more-on-ken-wilber.html

Stuart
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/booboo.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can relate. I&#8217;ve bloged about Wilber here:</p>
<p><a href="http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ken-wilber-comments.html" rel="nofollow">http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ken-wilber-comments.html</a></p>
<p>and here:</p>
<p><a href="http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/12/more-on-ken-wilber.html" rel="nofollow">http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/12/more-on-ken-wilber.html</a></p>
<p>Stuart<br />
<a href="http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/booboo.htm" rel="nofollow">http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/booboo.htm</a></p>
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